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I'll never choose a LCD over a CRT....not while it appears to be acceptable policy/standard to demand a tolerance of failed or dead pixels....refusing to replace what is actual faulty product by arguing it's only a 'little faulty'.  To me, one pixel of black [or white] that is 'stuck' means the screen is cactus.

Office-use machines do not need a game's high refresh rates, must do not need Pro graphic's resolution/s, and can be driven by economics of power consumption, but I'm betting a lot of it [changing to LCD] is about creating an impression rather than real practicality......and as for economics.....how about all those now redundant CRTs.......probably ending up as land fill and a damn sight more of an environmental issue than the supposed power reduction...

my gf's studio display's got one or two of those dead pixels. sucks. like 2,000$ screen.

at least my buddy got lucky with his powerbook.. had a warrenty so they replaced his screen. it was all ghosty.

how about all those now redundant CRTs.......probably ending up as land fill and a damn sight more of an environmental issue than the supposed power reduction...

very true...

Most places will have somewhere to take in old CRTs so they do not leech into the ground water and soil. If not almost all manufactures do recycle old CRTs for some of the usable resources and dispose of the rest in the proper manner.

IPlural... Over the past 6 years, I have purchased about 20 refurbished monitors that were factory reconditioned by Sony and ViewSonic. The CAD operators, engineers and designers who use them on a daily basis have all been happy with them, and thus far, we only had two of the very first reconditioned monitors fail (after 4+ years). We test them on a routine basis, and to be quite honest, I've been very pleasantly surprised at how well this program has worked out.

Jafo, I'm with you re: uacceptable quality standards for LCD monitors and use by graphic artists, designers or engineers. When we're designing surfaces with complex curves, that have to mate using tolerances as low as +.005 mm, one dead pixel has the potential to ruin my whole month...

I truly think that LCD's that we have now are popular because the average user does NOT have to worry about the kinds of things that can drive an artist, skinner, or engineer crazy. (yes, I realize that for many of us that it's not a long drive ). I think the flat panel fad for now is more about status and looking cool than true functionality. But in a way, I'm grateful, because it has helped drive CRT prices down, at least in the short term.

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I agree that stuck pixels being considered acceptable by manufacturers is disconcerting...I was surprised that the in situ testing of the new systems we're taking delivery of allows for up to 6 such faulty pixels! BTW, they don't tend to be just black or white as just a single colour can fail leading to pure R,G, B or other combinations of pixels too.

However, isn't it the case that faults like this (if they have any) on LCDs are very noticable because they tend to be digital in nature, where as faults on CRTs tend to be analogue in nature and much harder to spot? How many large CRTs can claim 100% colour purity across the entire image? Or exact geometry for that matter? And people prefer them for engineering?!

As an aside, of the 100+ screens I've witnessed personally now being set up, not one has had even a single failed pixel, which has surprised me.

...and then of course with CRTs you have drift from fluctuating magnetic fields in an area requiring degausing...You know, with this discussion I'm reminded of all the valve amp advocates in the face of the digital revolution I'm betting you all have fancy analogue stereos too huh?

I'm wondering if some of the critisisms about LCDs looking poor is actually because they render an image very crisply, where as for artistic graphics, the innate tendency for the analogue circuits in a CRT to provide a degree of anti-aliasing just by the nature of the technology (phosphors glowing) makes the image look smoother/better?

BTW, refresh rates on LCDs have improved greatly in the past few years (though they refresh in a different way to CRTs so it's not comparing like with like). I used to ignore them when advising people on purchases if they wanted to play games for just that reason, but the latest generations are pretty darn acceptable I had to admit when I tested them...Certainly much better than they used to be, but admittedly still not CRT standard...yet.

The decision we took at work for LCDs wasn't based on good impression, but rather hard figures on TCO from a renowed auditing firm...they /are/ cheaper over the lifetime of a machine than a CRT.

The point about the old CRTs being land fill is a real issue. The EU has decreed that ex-computers are to be treated as toxic waste for some time now, and CRTs have been added to that recently, hence we had to pay for their safe disposal in the contract with the supplier of the new kit - but it still worked out cheaper. Ethically though, it's been difficult to justify to users why we're replacing their perfectly useable screen with a new one. Thankfully, most of the old kit is expected to be recycled and sold on or donated to charities, so they won't be in a landfill...yet.

I think what it comes down to though is that if you have a top of the range CRT it's going to out perform a top of the range LCD for the sorts of things people here wish to use it for, no argument....but I predict that when we all have 4000x3000 screens that theywon't be CRTs...they may not be LCDs either

Sput....yes, eventually [but not right now], CRT screens WILL be replaced by technology which is actually better in all regards, but naturally there's been a century of CRT development wich the likes of LCD, Plasma, etc needs to catch up to.

I remember the first Sony 19" I ever took a close, really close look at.....I mean nose pressed to glass....and I was stunned by its quality.

One dodgey pixel in a [more expensive] LCD and it's a no-contest.

At the moment...

How many large CRTs can claim 100% colour purity across the entire image? Or exact geometry for that matter? And people prefer them for engineering?!

all of the high end Graphics CRTs can for one....

soooo



Plasma wOOt as voo would say

Now theres a display for the future...


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so far, i have seen nothing that will beat a crt, i want a huge one but i doubt my table will hold it, thats the only down side of crt's